12 - 12 - 19 - Janet - Mefferd - Today - Jonathan Witt (Creationism) Gil Mertz (Forgiveness)

What happens when an up-and-coming European bioscientist flips from Darwin disciple to Darwin defector? Dr. Jonathan Witt, senior fellow of Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture, joins me to talk about the journey of Finnish bioscientist Dr. Matti Leisola as we discuss the new book they co-wrote, "Heretic: One Scientist's Journey from Darwin to Design." Plus: Gil Mertz talks about why it's so important to forgive others. His book is called, "Forgive Your Way to Freedom." That and more on Thursday's JANET MEFFERD TODAY.